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the world this year so far. the reports from chile of at least one person killed, many injuries so far, but those reports are still sketchy. the top concern at this hour globally is whether this quake could generate a tsunami. authorities have ordered residents out of low-lying coastal areas. we're getting reports of buoys at sea recording a rise in the water level. tonight, they're continuing to keep watch in chile to get people away from areas there might be danger. as i mentioned in the top of the show, here in u.s., officials in hawaii did issue a tsunami advisory. but those officials now say they do not expect a major event in hawaii. these things can take hours to develop after a major quake. and so we'll keep you posted as we learn more tonight here on msnbc. that does it here tonight. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> i beg your forgive tonight, i didn't watch your show. i spent the last hour watching the republican debate, which is
my job tonight. >> i was watching it inside my mouth. i understand. >> the republican candidates have completed their first two hours of debating. republican rick wilson who advised gop candidates today to attack donald trump tonight will join us, along with steve schmidt and april ryan. steve kornacki will also be here. he's monitoring the debate for us now. and joining us now, chuck todd, moderator of nbc's "meet the press" and political news director. also howard dean, former governor of vermont. he's also an msnbc political analyst and nicole wallace, a former white house communication director and adviser for george w. bush's re-election campaign and john mccain's presidential campaign. your scorecard so far? >> big night for carly fiorina. you knew she was going to have a good night by being there.
after that horrible thing donald trump said about her. everybody comes in prepared one liners. she has deployed hers without looking like she's deploying a one-liner. point after point, she never feels as if she's been left out of a conversation. a lot of other candidates, they'll go 20, 30 minutes at a time and suddenly they speak and you go oh, my god, where have they been? >> in contrast, i think trump has had an awful night. >> he did. he did. . >> but i have no idea whether that's going to impact him. >> i think the longest recorded silence ever for donald trump. in his life, possibly. but the debate has, as chuck said, it keeps coming back to carly. many of these candidates keep referring to her. and according to the rules of the debate, if you say my name, i get to respond. so she's been in this a lot. >> in addition, she's inserted herself into every single
conversation that's gone on. she made some segues i don't think any of the others would have the audacity to try to pull off. but that's what this is a game of. a game of audacity. she has shown that she has it. i think the story tonight for me is the sort of resurgence of the establishment candidates. chris christie has the best opening line. he asked the cameras be turned on the audience. he asked, do you believe your children's lives would be better than yours was? no one raised their hand. i thought he did the smartest thing you could ever do in politics. he said this isn't about me, this is about you. i thought jeb bush for the first time really got tough on trump, accused him of trying to -- of actually being a special interest and trying to buy his favor with the bush administration when jeb bush was governor of florida. i think kasich sort of -- he's the new tortoise in this race. he walks, he doesn't run. he's not afraid to couch himself in establishment terms. he's not afraid to talk about his experience. he turned around and said i think i flew on air force one. obviously that now hangs in a
museum. but the establishment pacem braced their establishmentism and they made the most of it. they are who they are. >> hillary clinton has not played a big role in this dpe bait tonight since they' been talking about each other so much. but in the last few minutes before 10:00, chris christie brought her up. when chris christie says he wants to, use this word, prosecute her in that general election debate. here's a guy who has prosecutors closing in on him who uses this phrase, that he wants to prosecute hillary clinton in the debate. >> i agree with chuck and nicole that carly has had a great night in terms of getting herself up in front of everybody. the problem is, she's basically running an incredibly negative campaign. as far as i can tell, she has nothing positive to say. i don't actually blooe th lly b about her, but i don't think she's done as many favors as she could have.
>> but with republican voter, doesn't it seem like what she's saying works with republican voters? >> it does and it doesn't. frufrp is funny. he's there because he's an anti-establishment candidate, but he has some ideas. and some of them are negative. she's all negative all the time. i'm trying to think of a positive idea that she's had. i agree, she's had a tremendous amount of air time. i think she's going to do well as a result of this debate. but i'm looking that the from a general election point of view. if she should happen to win the nomination, she comes in as mrs. negative. >> trump says he will know about the world when he becomes president and the white house finally explains those things to him. >> i'll be curious to see how the republicans respond to that. ben carson had a similar moment when he said he hasn't developed
a tax plan yet. what are you doing here? it is part of dr. carson's charm is that he's sort of this, i think he does -- he's a very thoughtful guy and he does -- if somebody has an argument, he wants to process it and contemplate it. it's tough to have that presented at a debate like this. but going back to trump, i just, again -- and nicole has said this, we were talking about this further, he can do himself no damag damage, right? he seemed smaller tonight. being next to jeb who towers over him by a couple two or three inches doesn't help that. but he also -- he just -- and the opening of the debate, he sort of the took this cheap shot at rand paul who didn't ask for it at the time. it came sort of out of nowhere. had nothing to do with anything. and it actually derailed the debate for about 10 or 15
minutes. it was an odd way to start. i give jake credit. he got control back. he lost it there, but he got it back. >> atmospherically, this is a totally different debate. much smaller audience than the first debate. and trump seems to thrive on the coliseum feel of an audience. >> gladiator. >> this also seems, based on some of the shots i've seen, like a fairly sophisticated audience invited to the reagan library, some pretty sophisticated players in that audience who don't fall for a lot of the trump cheering lines. >> right. trump will not, i think, take a hit in his poll numbers tomorrow or the next day or the next day. but if he is not my party's nominee, the work of unseeding him as our front-runner began tonight. so i think -- my dad is a huge trump fan. i called him today and i said
are you going to watch? he said yeah, if they pile up on him, that's not going to be fair. they're jealous. i saw this with sarah palin, when the established media sat around saying oh, they did a terrible job. their supporters are so passionate. they're the best kind of political supporters because of their intensity. the trump supporters are very intense. they're not going to hold one debate where in their view the entire field ganged up against him. you're not going to see a dent in his numbers in the near term, but if he doesn't make it to the end, that will have started tonight. >> two points to be made here. first of all, we are the establishment. >> speak for yourself. >> i never want to -- we think of issues and we want a more sophisticated approach. we have possibly a different emotional reaction to this. on the other hand, this is the second phase of the campaign. the summer is the fun part where everybody does whatever they
want. and at some point, the watchers want more substance. you saw more substance tonight than in the previous debate. i thought for a long time chuck is right, he's going to fall off his chair, every time i think he's really screwed himself, up he goes again. >> i think nicole is also right, we're getting ready to make the turn here into serious issues where it matters. and whether it's right now or whether it's in november, it's going to happen before the first -- >> i do remember the party is split in two. the base -- the republican party vote is split in two. you have your establishment wing, which, by the way, you point out the audience is an invited guest. we did the last two ray dan degaits. -- debates. that's why they cheered carly when she trashed trump and why they didn't cheer trump at all. but half the party is against the establishment.
i look at this debate. you had a few candidates trying to be anti-establishment. rubio tried. i think it's tough being a senator. cruz is trying, walker is trying. but look at carly, carson and trump, carly had the best night of those three. and carly could end up being suddenly the anti-establishment flavor for a while. >> what about john kasich moving into the jeb position, the former jeb position in this fie field. >> look, i get the whole general election aspect of casey, and i buy it, but in a year where the republican voters are saying we don't want an establishment. he's bragging about his time in washington. it's a really good message for new hampshire but i don't buy it for the rest of the election. >> he's saying stuff that used to work. >> we still like that. >> we are going to focus group your father.
>> i was out in california this summer, the pot spoking liberals from santa cruz. trump has a huge following. trump should not be underestimated. until tonight, trump had been getting much better. trump had some really good performance. >> do you think he was tired, by the way? i thought he was tired. >> i'm tired sometimes, but he has been getting better. and none of these men or women is going to be ruled out because of one bad night. now, if this is more than one bad night, if they succeeded in finally getting under his skin, we may see the beginning of more moments like what we saw tonight, where he seemed peevish. the attack on rand paul who -- i mean, the actual attack engendered sympathy for rand paul. he's so far behind, loser, what are you doing here?
actually in the back of my mind, i felt bad for rand paul. >> there are many different dynamics in this debate tonight. the questions are less focused. the fox news debate, the way they went through from moderator and moderator. they were all specifically focused. >> that was ten interview mrs. than a debate. >> there's much more free form. meaning, thf response is bouncing off of that candidate's response. which doesn't seem to work for trump. he actually seems to be better off in a straight back and forth on a very specific question. >> i'm still puzzling. trump always puzzles me. >> we're going to poll nicole's father. our trump translator. >> tom brady endorsed him today. >> is that true? oh, winning. >> tom brady needed the headache of carrying the trump campaign along with his other problems. >> now we know who really
deflated those -- anyway. i'm not convinced he did a lot of harm to himself. the character we've got ton know is this bombastic guy who is willing to lay waste to people, which i actually think is his attraction to the wing of the republican party that likes him. first of all, he doesn't know substance. and that's just a fact. jake has done a great job. if you ask me who the winner of the debate is it's jake tapper and dana bash and the cnn crew. they've really focused on facts. they wanted to know specific programs. and most of them -- most of the players have avoided it. but people like kasich and walker at least know the jargon. rubio know the jargon. so i think trump is a little at sea here. he doesn't do facts. >> i think he is the most audience sensitive performer up there. >> that's also true. >> the biggest audiences when
he's up there, he knows -- and a standup comedian like him knows the first time a joke falls flat, he knows he doesn't have this audience. i think he picked up early, this isn't my audience. >> and it may be why he disappeared for a while. he never inserted him. the moderators make it clear, if you say jake, jake, jake, you get in. trump hasn't done it. >> where he was brutalized the most -- >> we have to take a big break here. we're going to call your father during this break and find out what his reaction is. coming up, the republican establishment has now decided it's time to go after trump. let's see how that works. and joe biden tells latinos not to worry about the things republicans like trump are saying on the campaign trail.
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>> tip o'neill, the most liberal guy in the entire house, they started drinking together. that's the first thing i'm going to do as president. we're going to drink more. >> i don't know why he's not in the top tier. what diz does your father say? >> trump didn't move up, didn't move down. stays the same. carly, christie, kasich moves up. bush says the same. carson goes down. you just said he had a bad moment. >> they were talking about after the september 11 attacks that he would not have invaded afgh afghanist afghanistan. of course, i think that's a deadly admission in a republican primary. >> we're going to take another quick break. (vo) what does the world run on?
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>> we're back with our debate covera coverage. steve, what's the latest? >> i guess the biggest thing in the last 20 minutes maybe was there was an interesting exchange over iraq. and donald trump has been the most outspoken, basically the only outspoken person in this field opposing going back saying the iraq war was a big mistake, george w. bush bumbled it. he made that case again.
jeb bush got involved saying my brother kept the country safe. donald trump said does everybody feel safer right now? and then an interesting moment happened where ben carson spoke up and ben carson pointed out that he, like donald trump, had also opposed the iraq war from very early on. he said back in 2003. so at that point, ben carson and donl trump exchanged a high five. it is interesting to note if you add their poll numbers right now, trump and carson, that t e takes to about 50%. candidates representing about 50% both saying they were against iraq. >> we're also joined by steve schmidt, political analyst. steve, you were telling us that ben carson said he would not have invaded afghanistan after 9/11? >> it looked as if we were getting miked up and ready to come on, there was an interesting exchange between carson and chris christie on that point. but we'll have to go back and i think see the highlights.
we were a little bit disadvantaged on it. i do think one thing that's interesting tonight is -- and i don't think donald trump had a great time tonight. it seemed like he shrunk during the debate. the backdrop is one of the penultimate symbols of american power, air force one. it's the first time donald trump has been in the shadow of one of the trappings of the office of the united states. and he seemed to shrink in front of it. and so i think as we watch the aftermath of this debate, it's entirely unclear whether donald trump, the laws of normal political gravity apply to him, but i wonder if he's not like a boxer who just had his eye cut open for the first time. >> stooe, in polling, how patient do we have to be? is this ten days from now where we'll see a reaction in polling? how long will it take? >> this is a wednesday night debate. i think you'll start to see movement in the numbers clearly by sunday, monday, tuesday of next week. a poll that starts on sunday, i think would give you the first
complete picture in the aftermath of the news coverage. and carly fiorina tonight has had some incredible moments. some of the exchange she is's had with donald trump are going to be on the highlight reel. they will be dominating the news coverage to recall. chris christie had an incredible exchange with both donald trump and carly fiorina. chris christie has had a big night tonight. kasich didn't have a lot of opportunities tonight, but you saw the potential there. it will be interesting to see what the reaction is to jeb bush. he had some good exchanges with donald trump. he wasn't low energy tonight. and he physically dominated the space next to donald trump in a way that i think is very much reputational to the low energy attacks that stung jeb bush. >> we not talked about the highlight reels. in truth is, the highlights are
much more influential than the actual debate. that's why the poll numbers don't start to turn until sunday. that's when you see highlights. i think trump is going to be in all the highlights because he's the target. even though he didn't have a great night, he's still going to be in center of attention oddly enough, simply because the media is going to make him in that the highlights. >> my guess is this debate is going to have maybe half the audience of the first debate. it just doesn't have that energy. it just doesn't have that excitement. it's not a first time, and -- >> i could have watched it six nights a week. i thought it was riveting. and i watched the first debate -- what i started to say, and i may be doing it again. >> i want to go to steve kornacki because the debate right now is in a commercial break. you can update us on the latest they've been saying. >> they switched over to an extended discussion there of the supreme court, ted cruz was then sort of piling on against a jeb bush. the legacy of the bush family talking about george bush, the
first george bush, president george bush elects david suter to the court. saying john robert, in light of the recent rulings on obamacare have been a disappointment as well. that's where they wrapped up in this last section, too. one of the things that's really jumped out at me, obviously you were talking about it earlier, at least from what i could hear over the debate. i'm listening to two different corn v conversations. but carly fiorina seemed to have a good night tonight. and ben carson has really faded into the background. what i'm watching for in the last half-hour or so is that ben carson, his entire polling surge he's had over the last month really stems from his closing statement in that first debate. he was very quiet for almost the entire two hours of the first debate. he had a strong closing statement. he's surged. he hasn't had many strong moments tonight. meanwhile, carly fiorina has. i'm saying uh unless ben carson can sort of pull a rabbit out of the hat again, my guess -- and watch me be proven wrong, my
guess is that carly fiorina could be up for a sizable surge. >> we're joined by rick wilson, a contributor to the daily beast. rick, you are the author of two kind of amazing pieces in the last, what is it? 24, 48 hours? one of them -- >> 24, i guess. >> one of them advocating, and both very well written, well thought out, advocating that republican candidates go after tufrp tonight in this debate. did you see what you wanted to see? >> i sure did, especially in the form of carly fiorina who beat donald trump like a rented mule. you saw him processing that. it was like the slap was so hard, it took him a second to catch up with his hind brain. they went after him in a bunch
of different ways. >> the insult that trump had said about carly fiorina's looks and that was brought out in the debate, is that the moment you were talking about? >> for her, that was the moment. you saw other people get under his skin. both carly and jeb went after him on the casino stuff. which he gets very squirrely about. casinos are engineered to take money from stupid people. he should be able to do this easily. they have a history of piling up debt and going bankrupt. he gets agitated about examining his business dealings and background. and none of them on the stage tonight had -- trump is talking and marco was interrupting and playing the reves during the interchange with them. none of these guys came to the stage tonight with this sort of rabbit in the headlights feel that i think a lot of the trump people expect ed would be the
trump moe jjo. well, rick perry attacked us and he's gone now. those folks on the stage tonight, except for ted cruz, he's the pilot fish to donald trump's shark, none of those folks on the stage tonight were intimidated by donald trump. he seemed smaller. he seemed less poised. he let out with a joke that went over terribly, attacking rand paul. and then george pataki. the first rule of politics, don't punch down. he seemed very petty. >> i've got to say, for anyone who read your article about how to handle trump and watch this debate, you knew the smart candidates read your article. we've got to take a quick break here. we'll be joining chris matthews in the coverage after the debate. right? we'll hear the rest of what you're thinking about. coming up, how the party of reagan is becoming the party of trump. that's next.
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limited government conservatism. they're nationalists. they're driven by this personality cult and this overwhelming anger with every institutional element of politics. so they find trump's appeal particularly compelling, but unfortunately for them it corrupted what the tea party started out as, where some of those folks come from. and there's a faction inside of the trump movement that is comprised of people that are so far out of the wilderness politically. it's insane. i had reactions from people who are actual nazis and white supremists who are shameless about it. and donald trump, for the same way the conservatives went after barack obama for associations with the black panthers and all the people who endorsed them, these people are like so what, david duke, whatever, he's part of the movement. the folks underneath the trump, there are plenty of folks who
aren't racists, who aren't horrible people .. but my grandmother a saying, one turd ruins the whole punch bowl. he's got a coalition that has really ugly elements in it. >> nicole, his bees says there's no reality of government that matters to these people. we saw that in the earlier debate with the lower tier candidates tonight, where lindsay graham was trying to explain what it means when the president can veto what you can do. if the president is going to veto it, then it's probably a waste of time to try to do it or to waste a lot of time on it. and that's the kind of comment, apparently, that the typical trump voter doesn't care about. they think you should shut down the government, even if it is over something the president would veto. >> the trump base, i agree with -- i read both piece ans they were excellent, but the -- >> i just want to emphasize, rick is a republican strategist and i want you to know he's
analyzing the trump situation from a republican perspective and these are brilliant pieces. >> because this is in my household, the trump supporters are so disgusted with washington that they don't think trump can make it worse. there point isn't government is the enemy, it's that government has been so corrupted by career politicians that someone that can shake it up -- and let me tell you something, if trump wants advice on the next move, pledge to serve only one term. they want a change agent, and they're willing to set -- my dad isn't for any of the policies trump espouses on the stump because they ooer not t're not from day to day. my dad is pro immigration. he's not an idealogue. but he's so disgusted with washington, with politicians in both parties, that trump is a roll of the dice he's willing to make.
>> there was a real argument in the debate tonight, rick santorum insisting no, no, the supreme court does not get the final word on what is constitutional. >> that's one of the questions i was going to pose to nicole. what happened to santorum? he came in second last time. how did this happen? >> i think he's part of the establishment. >> he's conservative, though. >> he's not losing because he's not conservative enough. there are plenty of people in that space who are also outsierds. if you liked santorum last time, you like ben carson this time. >> or ted cruz. >> how do you recommend trying to communicate with these voters who absolutely don't care about the truth of whether the supreme court actually is the final
arbitor of what is constitutional? or they don't care about the president's veto power. and all of these things that are realities of governing. >> lawrence, it's a real -- it's a real departure where we had -- when the tea party emerged there was a salutory effect about it. we'll just treat the supreme court differently because we've decided to. you know, there is a great difficulty in reaching these folks right now because they've also been promised by a sort of separate media silo they they live in most of the time now. that the realities of the world aren't actually there. just because an evil rino conspiracy against them, that's why things don't work out the
way they want. the laws of politics exist, whether you want to believe them or not. wil e. coyote always falls over the canyon even though he doesn't believe in gravity. >> the supreme court has lost a tremendous amount of prestigious. >> what if they decided no the to accept the supreme court's ruling in bush v. gore, what about that? and according to the republican debate tonight, that was an option. you can just decide which ones you want. we've got to leave it there for a quick break. rick wilson, thanks very much for joining us tonight. we're going to link to those articles on our website. people should read what rick wilson has to say about all of this. we're going to be right back.
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we're back with our debate coverage. steve kornacki has been watching. steve what's the latest? >> well, there's an interesting and extended discussion about marijuana based on the legalization of recreational marijuana in colorado. chris christie has pledged as president, he said enjoy it while you can, colorado, because when i become president you're going to lose legalized marijuana in the state. and there was a long back and forth between chris christie and rand paul. and rand paul saying look, this is a tenth amendment issue on the one hand. individual states have the right, should have the right to make their own laws on drugs. the federal government should not be coming in and intervening. he also started to make an argument you don't hear necessarily that much in a republican debate about the sort of unfairness in prosecution of drug crimes, basically saying if
you're a privileged rich kid like jeb bush, you can use marijuana as a kid and you can get away with it. but if you're poor, if you're black and use marijuana as a kid, you pay a price for it. and then carly fiorina entered into the discussion as well. she told a very emotional personal story about losing her daughter to drugs. her daughter passed away in 2009. i believe she cited alcohol dependency, prescription drugs as part of that. but she did bring that into this discussion of marijuana as well. obviously a poignant moment. >> and we're joined now by april ryan, the white house correspondent, washington bureau chief for american urban radio networks. april, your reactions. you've seen more of this debate than i have at this point. so what does your scorecard look like? >> i'm along with all of you, carly fiorina is giving it what she's got. i'm amazed at her. she's come out knocking the walls down. she talked about how donald trump -- she started talking about how donald trump is a
wonderful entertainer. she gave back to him about her looks. and she also -- she was very emotional and passionate when she talked about the graphic nature of the issue of planned parenthood. i mean, she's talking about foreign policy. what's really shocking to me is that donald trump and ben carson are not going at it head to head. just before the debate, we saw ben carson talks about donald trump's rrj. and then he's been in texas and wherever else, talking about he's a protestant, and his religious believes. but we have not seen those two go at each other. and i see that jeb bush is now stepping up into the semidynasty presidential role, i guess you could say. i don't know. >> on the carly fiorina looks moment, what struck me, april, was donald trump definitely tried to disown and basically lie about what he had said about her face.
>> he said she looked beautiful. she was beautiful. >> he tried to do that thing. oh, no, no i was talking about her aura. and then carly fiorina said every woman in america knows exactly what donald trump was talking about. and that was a huge applause line in that room. >> it really was. if you saw his face, he couldn't believe there were people that were actually against him again. we saw some of that in the first debate when he raised his hand. people were very angry, booing him for the fact that he could possibly think about going to a third party. he actually felt a little bit of the sting of some of the discon innocent there is in this nation about him. and then he came back and said i think you're beautiful. her face -- when she said that to her, she was just -- she was done with him. but she's holding her own. it's amazing to watch her. >> and for some reason, they did not discuss the looks of any other candidate up there. >> no.
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. >> we're back with our debate coverage. what's the latest, the last few minutes? >> i guess the interesting thing here is they got to the issue of vaccines and donald trump seemed to suggest that maybe there was a link there between vaccine and some childhood illnesses like autism. you think back to 2011, michele bachmann made that claim in a debate and it cost her dearly. ben carson, the pediatric neurosurgeon who's standing on stage right next to donald trump sort of politely but firmly said he did not agree with donald trump on that. so i guess it is a question. we're always looking for moments that might hurt donald trump.
is taking a position like this going to cause any blowback that might hurt him at all. >> dr. trump versus donald carson. we'll see how that works out. carson. we'll see how that works out. c. we'll see how that works out. c. we'll see how that works out. c. we'll see how that works out. c. we'll see how that works out. r . we'll see how that works out. . . we'll see how that works out. bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact.
buddy. >> look, i think he's going to go as long as he wants to go. and more power to him. that is one of the great things about this country. >> sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> if you're over 35 and you're eligible as an american citizen, you can actually run for president. and so he's making the most out of it. i'm having a good time watching it. >> that's part of the hillary clinton's appearance on "the tonight show" with jimmy fallon tonight broadcast on nbc later tonight. so we have a verdict on the most tweeted moments in the cnn deba debate, the top two moments about carly fiorina. when she responded to donald trump's response on her looks. and the response on planned parenthood. that's the second most tweeted. if you share that republican view on planned parenthood, you
can see why that would be one of the most tweeted moments, because it was the most clearly, sharply articulated version of that. >> it was very graphic. it was very graphic. i have never heard things th s that said before, and for her to say it so openly, it was very graphic. >> that moment about planned parenthood is one that every one of those candidates want to have. this is a subject they all agree on. that planned parenthood should be defunded. what they're doing with fetal tissue in their view is immoral and criminal. >> well, most of what they said just wasn't true. this is actually an interesting one. planned parenthood actually polls very well in the country. especially among women. whoever gets the nomination, that's the one that's going to come back and bite them in the butt for that. >> you know what polls even better is not doing the thing that the videos reveal that
planned parnenthood was doing>> it turns out it's not true. >> planned parenthood polls well as a health care provider. but abortions and the graphic description of them polls well with democrats and republicans. i think what carly did, while graphic, was a fact-based -- yon know if it was a fact. >> there was a lot of stuff she said in there that wasn't so. it was inserted into the videos or edited out of the videos. >> this debate will live well beyond what you and i are talking about. be the the republican base feels this issue has been largely ignored by the media. i think she'll get more credit for raising it with courage and being willing to sort of speak things that are too graphic for a lot of us to say. >> i agree with dr. dean that it's a mischaracterization of what's going on, but i think all of the republicans candidates do that. what i would say was that response showed is that carly
fiorina is better at extemporaneous phrasings of the republican issue. she phrased it as straight into the target as you could target as you could possibly expect one of those candidates to do. >> she owned that issue tonight, not just being a woman, but because she had a bredth of understanding of it. even though some of it may not have been true. one of the facts they did leave out was the fact that 3% of the planned parenthood is abortions. and then you had ore candidates to include chris christie talking about how he's defunded planned parenthood in his state for the years that he's been there. as governor. and other candidates. but she -- she owned that moment. she was the one who really brought the attention to what happened, or thr debate, this controversial debate that could actually cause the problem, cause a shutdown issue in washington. >> and steve kornacki, if the most tweeted moment of the
debate is carly fiorina responding to a trump insult, that is not a good moment for donald trump. >> no. and here's the interesting thing that just happened at the very end here. they're asking the candidates to go down the line here. what would you want your secret service code name to be. they got to jeb bush. he was ready with this one. he said ever ready. got a lot of energy. trump gives him a high five. then they asked donald trump what do you want your nickname to be, donald trump doesn't misa beat and he says humble. >> never, never, never, never. that's not trump. that's not what it's going to be. nicole wallace, the overall tonight for the republican party, is this a more serious step towards the nomination than the first debate was? >> yeah, and you take the first and the second debate together, and i think in that whole evening of commentary and back and forth, you have the kasich